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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 22, 2014 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

I've gone over this ground before, but with some new faces around...and a serious lull in activity...I thought I'd throw it out again just to learn a little more about some new friends.

When did you know that you had truly gotten on the bus?

For me, I'd probably point to Richmond in the Fall of 85. Before then I had been to a few shows and considered myself to be a Head, with my collection of 25 83rd generation AUD BASF 90 tapes and a Stealie on the back of the car. Well, when the boys broke into Gloria that fateful night, it all changed forever. As the first chords echoed through the arena I felt an unusual tingle start to envelop me. I looked around me and saw the entire old barn seeming to jump as one, singing the "GLORIA!" refrain so loud that the band was drowned out. When I would make eye-contact with strangers around me, there was an almost telepathic connection and we knew that we both felt the exact same thing and that this was something that could only be found here, at this time and in this place. It was like sharing a deep secret with a few thousand close friends simultaneously. It was at that moment that I felt I had found a new home, one where I was accepted without question and asked to share in the feast that the Boys laid out on the table for everyone. Game Over and Game On all at one time. I knew I now had to see however many shows as I could get to and meet as many new people as I could, to share stories and revel in the music. Well, the shows may be in the past, but the enjoyment of the community continues.

OK, that's me. Anyone else want to babble endlessly?

NOTE: Yes, Richmond also was the site of the infamous Shoe Defiling, but when put up against the power of the show, it was barely noticed until after the show...as I heard an odd squishing sound coming from the general area of my feet.

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Poster: Shug909 Date: Apr 22, 2014 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

Grateful Dead and Bob Dylan - Anaheim 1987

My first Grateful Dead show was one of the most overwhelming for me. I was already a hardcore fan of Dylan whom I’d not even consider missing at any Southern California show AND I’d always wondered what those bumper stickers meant that said “There Is Nothing Like A Grateful Dead concert”. All through the early 80s, when I started my concert-going, as I saw all the multi-night runs the Dead played in Southern California as I perused the concert ads in the newspaper, I thought how lucky Deadheads are to get to see their favorite band so frequently. I was amazed that they were playing So Cal several times a year. Their records certainly hadn’t impressed me at that point, but I loved that they covered Dylan a lot in their shows.

I went with a couple of veteran Deadheads who seemed to be able to pull out of their bag anything that my stoned little head and heart desired at the exact moment I wanted it. Let’s just say I was in a “receptive” mood and time and place in my life for the Grateful Dead trip and I took it hook, line and sinker, thinking this experience had been waiting for me my entire life. It felt like arriving back home to a place I didn’t even know I had originated at, a shining golden palace with a bunch of friendly strangers welcoming the prodigal son. And that was before my Deadhead hosts passed out the vitamin B12 pills for extra stamina right before Dylan took the stage for the third set to play a bunch of songs I’d never dreamed I’d get to hear live backed by The Dead. The way the entire stadium was rocking out at the end of the night to a massive triumphant celebratory Touch Of Grey was a mind-blowing capper. “Where’s the next show?!”

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 22, 2014 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

Hmmm. What qualifies as "on the bus" or "knowing"? Let's see ... was there a "Come to Jerry" moment ... and is there any other band of which that kind of question could be asked? Do Floyd or LZ fans think there was a "moment they knew?" I guess the records are enough for most bands, whereas with the Dead, the records are different than the shows, shows are different from each other, and then there's the old "set and setting."

Anyway, as I've said before, I saw a series of shows in '78 very shortly after first hearing about the band at all. From records and tapes in dorm rooms, my basic impression was "yeah, I see why you like this band. They seem really good." But I didn't distinguish them from other good bands. There was a lot I "got" from being at the shows that I hadn't "got" from records and tapes, and I was more "on the bus" after than before, certainly. I did put the Dead in a different category than, say, Springsteen, who I saw a few days after my first Dead shows (since apparently I really didn't prioritize studying.) Which was also a great show, but the Dead seemed like a world apart. It was like discovering a secret universe.

Still, I'd have to say it was kind of a process of hearing the music in lots of circumstances over the next year or so, by which I mean stuff on albums and on tapes -- not necessarily show tapes, but also album tapes carried to parks and so on -- since a lot of my early experiences with the music combines it with particular set and settings. I honestly didn't make or perceive much difference between hearing StSt/TOO/MoM/etc on albums and what we were hearing on newer albums or show tapes, though, which now seems pretty clueless, but I didn't. I worried that the band might go in the wrong direction (Disco Dead, aaaak!) and of course recognized that the older stuff was older and just part of a wider repertoire. But I saw it as all part of a continuum.

By the NEXT time the band came around, I'd pretty much cemented my ticket, I guess. And by then I actually recognized the songs :-)






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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 24, 2014 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

Yes, I have to comment on your "clueless" description while hearing songs...I seem so much more knowledgeable "now", though everyone else (family/friends) would've said I was back then, too, right? At the time, I could hardly tell the instruments (who was playing which) apart, and I actually worked as a roadie for a DEAD cover band. I am much more musically astute now, and in part, this biased me against them "changing" because I could recognize any song off S&R, but not anything "new" (classic AUD response of "oh, yeah, WE know this one!!", etc.). Nor could I really appreciate what they did as "better" (ie, if Jerry was better, why didn't he seem more lively or some such silliness on my part). I was rather naïve, and full of pre-conceived notions...

However, what fueled my "hmmm, why isn't this as GREAT as I was expecting?" had more to do w an overall sound, which nowadays when I listen to it, is still "lacking"...the 70s DPs that everyone mentions as sounding flat, or hollow, without much punch...other than the 75 Fall show at GGPk, which had real energy, that was what I thought was often missing from shows I saw. They weren't as raw, energetic and motivated, by appearances, as I was hoping for...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 24, 2014 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

It's kind of hard to parse what I/we really knew then from what we know in retrospect. I'm sure I heard their rawer 60s sound as different, but I'm sure I'd have attributed that difference to the 60s ... all 60s music had a certain feel, and certainly I thought I'd missed something by not having been 10 years older, but I didn't expect any band to sound like their 60s albums.

As for not-liveliness on stage, I quickly took that as a badge of pride. "MY band doesn't need any stage tricks. They just stand there and play. After tuning for 5 minutes and taking a smoke break."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 25, 2014 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

Oh yeah--right there with you on the point of pride! Exactly what I thought when comparing them to the tours of the Stones or PF...props??! Really? You don't see CREAM using those, or even the descendants of CREAM.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 22, 2014 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

As a rather niave boy from an overgrown Southern mill village, I had heard about the Grateful Dead, but knew very little except they were a California band. Through Columbia House Record Club, I had found Moby Grape and was hooked. Word on the street was that Grateful Dead was even better. Thumbing through the cut-out bin, at the local Sears, Robuck & Co., I found the first Grateful Dead album. I almost didn't buy it because it was the monoaural version. But for $0.99, I figured I couldn't go but so wrong. That was sometime either in late 1967, or early in1968...my memory just ain't what it used to be. I wore thay album out, and it was but the first of many subsequent Grateful Dead vinyl purchases. Though I still think Moby Grape was the better of the two bands, Grateful Dead outlasted them and has been in sometimes constant, and sometimes on again off again, rotation in my music library ever since. Marriage and children convinced me that I would never see a live Grateful Dead show, but that didn't dim my enjoyment of their recorded music. After Jerry died, when the survivors were touring as The Other Ones, I was finally able to catch a live show. Jimmy Herring isn't Jerry, but he's the best lead guitarist they've had since Jerry's death. And Rob Barraco is a pretty good stand-in for Pig. Robert Hunter played a set between the two The Other Ones sets, and you could feel Jerry's presence during the whole show. The years I waited, the circumstances of the tour(the "core four" together)and the fact that I was able to be at that show with my son made it a once in a lifetime experience that reaffirmed, and strengthened my "on the bus" status. I know purists will say I'm not a true Deadhead, and that I long ago gave up my place on the bus. I've heard it all before, and it no longer phases me. If you love the Grateful Dead more than I do, or if you can recite concert stats "chapter and verse" better than can(and I'm not really good at that 'cause like I said my memory just ain't what it used to be)...then God bless you my brother, or sister. I'm just here for the music.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 23, 2014 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Well Done

Looks like this incited just the response I was hoping for. I see quite a few new names and couldn't be happier. Great stories one and all. Hey, and as for the whole "Go ahead, call me a "Touch Head" thing, you'll never hear that from me or I think most anyone else here. If you get it, you get it, regardless of when or how.

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Poster: truckin52073 Date: Apr 24, 2014 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well Done

I was only joking about the Touch Head thing. I'm really not that new, I just don't post a whole lot. I was around before the boards got pulled and then it got really ugly here for a while. At that point I had a few choice words for a few people and changed my user name and have only posted a handful of times since. You're right man, doesn't matter how you got on the bus, just as long as you got on.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 25, 2014 6:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well Done

Glad you decided to return. I agree that things got way out of hand at times around here, way too much negative bickering. But, thankfully, we seem to have turned a corner and entered a new age; the Pax Forumna, if you will...or not.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 25, 2014 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well Done

"Pax Forumna"

Will it survive? I, for one, hope so. Ot has been quite civil here lately.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 25, 2014 8:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well Done

Blow me, smiley.

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Poster: truckin52073 Date: Apr 22, 2014 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

This is a great question and one that should be asked every few years. Getting on the bus? I must have went through the emergency exit in the back because it happened to me all ass backwards. I was familiar with the stuff most everyone is familiar with, ya know stuff on the radio and whatnot. I knew about Deadheads and liked what I heard but it didn't really do it for me. Touch of Grey came out when I was in high school (cue up the older jaded heads...wait for it...someone please just call me a touch head so I can get on with my story...Thanks) Not quite, I didn't really like it that much. So anyway, a group of friends decided to make a trek up to Alpine Valley from the 'burbs of Chicago 1989. Saw them again in Tinley Park in '90. I had a great time at both shows really enjoyed the music but I didn't have that moment that we all eventually had. Fast forward a year later. I was graduated and delivering pizzas and a guy who I worked gave a tape to listen to. That tape? The legendary, iconic, perhaps overrated depending who you talk to...That's right folks Cornell '77. I'm sure this show was responsible for turning on a lot of folks who like myself have refined their tastes to different eras and whatnot. But damn, in between Scarlet and Fire was when it happened. My life hasn't been the same since. I guess the destination isn't as important as the journey itself.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Apr 23, 2014 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

I was 6. And it was a very short bus.
Does that make me a touch~head? Or was that later when I was an alter server for the catholic church?

edit~ and 'couldn't be happier' equals Xanax refill ??

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 23, 2014 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

I'm still trying to count just how many levels that is so wrong on.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Apr 23, 2014 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

Never end your sentence with a preposition.
I believe the object of your dangling preposition would
be (properly) the word ' asshole '.
"I'm still trying to count just how many levels that is so wrong on~~ asshole". Ah, much better.
Rightfully so and
Don't worry, I wont tell Rob.

'dangling preposition' is usually what I get when I eat
too much cheese. But, to itch their own...

How about I let you know when I get off the bus??
spoiler alert: never

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 23, 2014 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

I suppose I should be happy you caught the grammatical faux pas, don't think Rob would have been so kind in reprimanding me for the error.

No need for the spoiler alert.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Apr 23, 2014 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know this thread was non Dead

we shall file this under the
'people love to be corrected' clause under the assholes
of society rule. Im sure you are (or have)a massive member.

don't google any of those words. and
Heres is to unwanted, old hijacks/hijinks...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 23, 2014 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know this thread was non Dead

That is an awesome pic. Love it.

See, we normally manage to get the train back on track.

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Poster: gmcgill Date: Apr 23, 2014 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

12/26/69

https://archive.org/details/gd1969-12-26.sbd.warner-evans.28448.sbeok.flac16



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Poster: BVD Date: Apr 22, 2014 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

I knew during my first show (12/5/71) at The Felt Forum.After NRPS I got up and said to my friends "Well that was pretty good, lets get the hell outta here.". They informed me (God bless Linda and Claudia) that the Dead hadn't even come out yet. The only thing I knew from G.D.were American Beauty. We dosed right before Bill Graham came out and introduced them.Set Two opened with Truckin' and as the opening notes were playing a neon sign Flashing Grateful Dead dropped right behind the band and two skeletons dropped down on either side of the stage. The place friggin' exploded. The band and audience merged. I was peaking having never been so high...ever and felt right where I was supposed to be at the moment in time. I was 17 yrs old and by the time the show was over I asked Linda and Claudia if the had any extra tix for any of the other shows during that run. I went the next nite or it could have been the nite after. At any rate. Got to see a lot of great bands growing up in NYC but none of them had the affect the Dead had on me. NONE of them. Sorry no link. I'm old and computer challenged-don't know how that link thing works.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 22, 2014 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

Excellent. Another amazing thing about this band: the events can be more than a decade apart but the experience almost identical. Why I always tell folks it makes no difference how many shows you saw, it all about what you experienced during those shows that counts.

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 22, 2014 1:51pm
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https://archive.org/details/gd1971-12-05.sbd.unknown.18665.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 22, 2014 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

I remember the first time I really heard of the band was when my father was bringing me to my high school one morning in '82. As was my fathers want we were listening to the radio and they had a short interview with Garcia as the band was soon to play in the area. The interviewer (the Lich for those that listened to WHCN back then) asked Garcia how many songs the band knew and he replied 100 to 150- give or take a few. This blew my Dad away. (Though he wasn't a head his first show was 7-16-72 and he usually saw them when they came around. His last show was 4-3-88.) Anyways, I remember being impressed as well that a rock band had such a large catalog (these were my Rush days) and changed the set list every night. It took a girl that I had a mighty shine on for me to get more interested by '85. By '87 I was a lost cause and didn't have much more on my mind then the next show until Brent died.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 23, 2014 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

It was a 3 concert build . !0/14/76 Shrine, 2/26/77 Swing , and by the 3rd one , at the Forum that closed the deal .
https://archive.org/details/gd1977-06-04.fob.menke.motb-0096.97183.flac16
And the whole extra musical side, the general friendly, funky, goofy, and kind nature of the people, and the scene ...It just felt like home .
I should note the leg work was when a friend long time loaned my Europe 72 soon after it came out . Really hooked me (still am) on that sound . Think the opening of "Jack Straw" , how warm and rich the combo of those instruments .From that sound, which they still had, to some extent, when I first saw them, is the "Grateful Dead sound" .
All these thing kept me coming back .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 22, 2014 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: How did you know?

...meaning, were you like some of the responders above, that "got it" during a show? Or, via studio, etc? Or, for many, never had the chance, so via tapes/cds/etc?

That, I suppose, is the "myth", right? If you heard them when they were "on", you'd have been hooked, blah, blah, blah...? Something like that.

I've droned on before, I was the "other" sort, taken in by the albums, starting w the first, via the older brothers, and then cemented by the twin masterpieces of 1970...by 72, I had half their albums, and S&R was the Gold Standard for live, AmBe/Work the studio pinnacles. I was ten when I started...thus, "my" date would be 67 for exposure, but sometime around 72 for "on the bus".

By the time I saw them as a HS head, blathering on about how much better they were than PF and LZ, the two "rock" competitors at the time, it was just about time for the hiatus, and the "cont'd evolution" musically speaking, which as I've said, left me scratching my head...by the time I was 16, and could attend shows, I wanted to hear the 70-71 sound, and got something altogether different w BlAllah, MHotel, and so on...

Anyhooo, w/out covering it all again (hmmm...should I...? no...okay), I was NOT in the typical mold, as if anything, seeing them live, I actually was a tad disappointed, but SOOOO wanted the myth to be true, I just cont'd to be the champion of all things DEAD all the time...that's why I am often on about the "biz model" as they were off on that big experiment w RRecords right when I had to face up w the fact that they no longer sounded like I wanted them to, etc., etc. It was 30 yrs later when I showed up here that I finally had the gumption to put it all into words, and admit, yeah, I'd been disappointed.

I don't know WHAT I'd have thought if I'd heard all their studio stuff, and then showed up in 1995!?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 22, 2014 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: How did you know?

No, I didn't only mean shows. I'm interested in anything that got you started, be it an album, a concert, a bootleg, a slightly odorous hippy chick who said if you gave her a lift to SPAC she'd be "oh, so grateful", whatever.

I guess I was lucky in that fact that I hadn't been overly exposed to the earlier recordings before I went to shows so I carried no preconceived notions of what I wanted to hear. What I did carry, however, seemed to give the police a preconceived notion of the right to search and seizure.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Apr 24, 2014 8:37am
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It was when I gave Bobby his 24th blow job from a guy?
Talk about overly exposed and a slightly odorous bootleg...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 22, 2014 2:27pm
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Oh yeah, I got ya; I was just thinking we all talked about it long ago, but it's defn worth a "re run"...esp this biz if you weren't hooked until, or during, a show, rather than via studio and what you read, etc., etc.

Again, for me, it was how the DEAD in the early 70s, represented the counter culture I'd missed, as to why I wanted so much to get on the bus...and though I keep talking about it as if I hated it, as JOTS made me fess up, sure, I loved all of it, it was only in my overly analytical mind that I kept thinking, "hmmm, where's that harder, rocking sound?" or "those great studio vocals" and so on...thus, for me, the live thing never really was a factor; I didn't go and hear "transcendent jams" or some such...which I would've loved...some were good, but, really, I was always wanting that "pre-conceived notion".

My bad, clearly.

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Poster: blang16 Date: Apr 23, 2014 11:23am
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Saturday Night Live - 1978

Listened to them before. Everyone knew Casey Jones and Truckin'

This was the first time I "saw them"

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 23, 2014 10:28pm
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Which was a few days before I saw them in the flesh. I assume I saw SNL too. And there was also, I think, an FM concert broadcast that week or so. All of which explains a lot about my grades the first semester of freshman year. Although it was very educational.

The Dead on SNL, Nov 78. This is the Dead that I'll always think of as "my band" -- still young, a not-gray Jerry who was definitely the coolest guy in the room (and not anything at all like Santa Claus), and of course Donna. I saw them way more when the picture included Brent and Jerry as Fat Man, but this is what imprinted:

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Poster: jackaroe_RI Date: Apr 23, 2014 4:05pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etG248xS01g

All the DVDs are making their way to youtube (for now) here is 1985-11-1 one of my all time favorites. One of my first tapes - GAMH 75 ws my first.
Jerry was feeling real low at this show at some points.
I started listening in 84 wasn't allowed by mommy to go to any concerts then (was 14).
In the lot of providence 86 but had to be home by 11pm- 1st show 4-2-87 when I was 16. Mom didn't know :)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbeep* Date: Apr 23, 2014 10:28pm
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Beep rant:
There were a few near misses for me, like when they didn't show up at the Magic Mountain festival in June '67. And the previous year ('66) they were supposed to play at the now nearly forgotten Fantasy and Science Fair in Oakland at a warehouse building (later torn down to accommodate the new Laney College campus). I did however get to see Frumious Bandersnatch and a few other lesser known groups that weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRglnO6hPtc

Country Joe and the Fish didn't show up either, drat it all. But it was my first experience with a giant Tesla Coil and a Theremin. Ahh. Fun times. (sigh…..sigh)

(psst, Beep, yer rambling again)
Oh…..yeah…..

Well, for me there was never a "moment". It was more of a warm fuzzy slow burn over the years.
They obviously outlasted the other bands through their diversity. When Workingman came out it hit me that they were ahead of the game and were becoming capable of many things. From then on it became imperative to follow their progress over the eons.
But I still have a soft spot for the 60s It's cornball to some but to me it's pure gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFEbis5PSg

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Apr 22, 2014 12:30pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0UhURwSSrY&;feature=player_detailpage

First song of my first show, 3 weeks after Lennon's murder; Please don't murder me...

I took a BIG dose in the parking lot before the show. My mind had fully left body for the acoustic set, I didn't recognize a single song until they got to ChinaCat in the middle of the second set...but that didn't matter as I was ALL IN halfway through Alabama. Never looked back after that. Watched jaw agape as folks jumped out of their skin at midnight. I remember looking up and seeing the silhouettes of the people dancing in the doorways - the whole place was just going nuts! Went for a walk through the hallways, just dripping with psychedelic energy. Greatest feeling I ever had. I was 19 at the time and had been experimenting with doses and other psychedelics for a bit, so they lead me to the Dead instead of the other way around - I was in search of the trippiest thing - and I found it. It all seemed like a dream I dreamt one afternoon long ago.

Few other points in my life stand out with such a turn on a dime moment. Felt like I got struck by a lightning bolt or shot out of a cannon. Kick started my life. The bums didn't play another Bay Area show until September that year, so I had to wait. By '82 I wasn't gonna wait around for Bay Area shows and hit the road.

My one year anniversary was one for the ages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42L8LAOfRxY&;feature=player_detailpage

Saw 200 shows from then until 1995. Other shows were "better", but none had the impact of that first one.

Deadhead from the word drop.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Apr 23, 2014 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

My dad is a deadhead, so a substantial slice of the music I was exposed to from an early age was GD. When I was around 10 I went through a period where I was really into them. I used to carry around Dick's Picks CDs in a gigantic CD pouch and listen to them on the school bus, during lunchtime, etc. But back then, I was more drawn to the up-tempo, short numbers (Big River, Me And My Uncle, Cumberland Blues). I also really enjoyed the short transitional exercises like China>Rider and NFA/GDTRFB; I was fascinated by their ability to create seamless medleys where you didn't know where one song ended and the other began. I also remember being captivated by Garcia's solo on the 8/6/71 Hard To Handle (from Fallout From The Phil Zone).

This period lasted a year or two, and it was a great bonding experience for my dad and me, but eventually I moved on to other things. For most of my early teens I was deeply immersed in Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Chopin, Rachmaninoff, and other such composers. I also started exploring jazz around this time. This all coincided with my learning the piano.

Then, at age 17, my senior year in high school, I started listening to Live Dead. I think that at that time I was deeply entrenched in more experimental, wide-open jazz like A Love Supreme and Black Saint And The Sinner Lady. Live Dead was a great way to cool my ears off from that stuff, because it was calmer but still transcendent and experimental. Then when I got to college I started rediscovering all my old Dick's Picks favorites, and became obsessed with the longer jams. Initially I was fixated on the Live Dead era stuff. DP16 and DP26 received frequent listenings.

Then, at the end of my first year of college, I discovered the archive, and I was thereafter officially hooked for life.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 23, 2014 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

As for the whole "Dad was a Deadhead" comment, it brought to mind a thought I've always had (yes, Peanut Gallery, one individual thought; simultaneous thoughts have proven dangerous to my simple mind). While my Dad was by no means a Deadhead (born a little too early), he had/has a love of music that certainly put me on the path. Country, Big Band, the Beatles, an as-yet-to-be-explained copy of ELP's Brain Salad Surgery LP and more were in his collection. Music was played at every dinner I can recall, the 33's and 45's stacked up on the turntable spindle, falling one after another right through dessert. I firmly believe that had he been born 18 years later he would have been in the crowd in Dillon Gym in 71 enthralled with Pig's epic Good Lovin'. Regardless, my mother still blames him for what happened to me. Yes, Waylon and Willie were my gateway drug.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 22, 2014 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

If you got on the Bus at a SPECIFIC show, give us a link. (I got you covered on this one, SDH.)
Now, I'm trying to find the 85 Richmond to see if I can hear, "Awww, Man, that was my shoe!"

Found the Show but not the retching
Richmond 1985_11_01
https://archive.org/details/gd1985-11-01.fob.senn421.koucky.gmb.96195.flac24

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 22, 2014 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

Sadly I wasn't close to a taper. But let it be know that I believe the said retching was in time and tune with the music. One might say that one complemented the other...or not.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 22, 2014 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Old Question: When Did You Know?

"But let it be know that I believe the said retching was in time and tune with the music."

Aha! It was during Day Job then.

JT